Comments on: Deen’s View: Wedgewood Deal Signals More To Come for the Avalanche (+) https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/ The home of Aarif Deen and the best coverage of the Colorado Avalanche Tue, 03 Dec 2024 18:42:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Dan G https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68405 Tue, 03 Dec 2024 18:42:17 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68405 In reply to Bob Neal.

Agree on just about all of this. I typically appreciate the Avs cautious approach and aversion to panic moves. I think, in the case of their goaltending, a roll of the dice is warranted. My take on Gibson is that he’s been on a terrible team and maybe playing on a team with aspirations will help. It’s hard when a goalie needs to be the best player on the ice every game. Hasek did it and he’s in the HoF, so it’s the exception not the rule.

As far as stats go, I try my best not to use them to confirm bias, but of course it’s hard to avoid. Even the eye test tells us that while the Avs D breaks down, Georgiev just isn’t good enough regularly to bail them out. He’s had only a few solid games this year, lets in the first goal of the game way too often, is rarely the better of the two goalies in a game, and allows goals in the first 10 shots all the time. It’s damaging to a team’s psyche to have all of that as your last line of defense in a league that is so 50-50 these days.

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By: Bob Neal https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68392 Tue, 03 Dec 2024 02:31:04 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68392 In reply to Dan G.

You make many good points. I’m not a stats guy as I think one uses them to “prove your point” while somebody else could provide different stats to prove a contradictory counterpoint. I grant you that Georgie gives up far too many rebounds, which is a significant flaw. I think management needs to be cautious about chasing “opportunities” as the solution. Again, if Gibson is so great to command a $6M salary, why is he not starting? I grant he was a very good goalie in his day but I imagine something has soured his management on him perhaps only because of his injury record. I am one that finds it dangerous to always go looking for the “greener pasture” solution to problems. PS Defensively, the Av’s need a lock down defensemen that can clear the front of the net and also eliminate the “back door play”. They need to clear up the Landy topic and use the $7M to bring in some players with a different skill set then their current group of defensemen.

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By: Dan G https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68383 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 21:46:09 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68383 In reply to Bob Neal.

Not sure if it is intentional, but you make it sound as if it is easy for other teams to take away the Avs firepower with a forecheck or trap. Don’t most teams want to get their forecheck going against every team? Don’t we hear every coach post-game either praise their forecheck after a win or lament that they couldn’t get the forecheck going after a loss? Avs defense hasn’t been great, but it hasn’t been abysmal either. Their 5v5 defense is a little below league average and the main issue is the backdoor play that every team seems to try against the Avs. Fix that and they are an excellent 5v5 defensive team. Their 5v5 Corsi numbers are over 54% and third in the league. They give up way too many high danger chances, many of which appear to come from the uncontrolled rebounds given up by their goalies. Georgiev is especially prone to this and he gets way out of position regularly.

Their PK is not as bad as their kill percentage suggests, either. They are above league average in xGA while on the PK. It’s their goaltending that has let them down 5v5 and on the PK. I certainly hope that the Avs move Georgiev and find a spark from the moves. The mentality of the team appears fragile these days and after Annuen or Georgiev gives up the seemingly inevitable first goal on one of the first 5 shots, they are chasing the game almost immediately.

I hope the Avs trade Georgiev sooner rather than later. The closer they get to the deadline, the less time the new guy will have to adjust to being on a new team. I think the expensive part of the trade and the part we all worry about is who they have to give up to get the salary retention the Avs will need from the other team.

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By: Bob Neal https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68374 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 18:19:13 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68374 The Av’s goalie problem is always fixed with finding another teams unwanted goalie. How about playing defense in front of the goalie instead?. If Gibson is so good, why is he not the starter or at least projected to be once he returns to full health?. The Av’s are purely built for speed and offensive production. Once the other team takes that away with either a heavy forecheck or the old neutral zone trap the rest of their game lags. Until this team gets away from this concept and makes a commitment to playing a solid two way game these silly conversations will continue.

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By: Karl Keen https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68371 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 16:27:37 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68371 Interesting take Aarif. Thanks!

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By: idavsfan https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68370 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 16:22:16 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68370 Only concern with this is Gibson’s history of injuries. But yeah time to move on from Fourgiev.

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By: Jeffrey Zucker https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68364 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 04:11:32 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68364 Pleeeease. Seems like such a great fit!

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By: Drew Rathbun https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68363 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 03:45:22 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68363 How is Nabokov doing in the KHL so far?

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By: Joe Cerwinske https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68353 Mon, 02 Dec 2024 00:02:19 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68353 I was thinking just today of this same target. What would be a hypothetical package you think could net Gibson, assuming that Ritchie, Gulyayev, and Nabokov are untouchable? Obviously Georgiev, but what else could get it done?

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By: Brad Jacobs https://coloradohockeynow.com/2024/12/01/deens-view-wedgewood-deal-signals-more-to-come-for-the-avalanche/#comment-68351 Sun, 01 Dec 2024 22:09:58 +0000 https://coloradohockeynow.com/?p=14773#comment-68351 Wood, Georgie and a pick u think would get this done, or would they want more? If that’s who they are targeting, better do it soon as the price will go up considerably closer to the deadline.

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